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		<title>Comment on A2L is back by Joss Ives</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/280/comment-page-1#comment-22956</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 22:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huzzah!</description>
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		<title>Comment on reaction to Barak Rosenshine&#8217;s &#8220;Principles of Instruction&#8221; by Brian Frank</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/271/comment-page-1#comment-22913</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I didn&#039;t mean to just drop links and run, but I didn&#039;t want to forget to share and I was in a rush. The article I linked Kuhn is called, &quot;Is direct instruction an answer to the wrong question?&quot; and it is a response to the original article published in 2006. In the response,  she discusses a lot of your concerns–educational goals, motivation, learning how to learn. Their original article sparked a lot of responses then, without of comment and responses flying back and forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I didn&#8217;t mean to just drop links and run, but I didn&#8217;t want to forget to share and I was in a rush. The article I linked Kuhn is called, &#8220;Is direct instruction an answer to the wrong question?&#8221; and it is a response to the original article published in 2006. In the response,  she discusses a lot of your concerns–educational goals, motivation, learning how to learn. Their original article sparked a lot of responses then, without of comment and responses flying back and forth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on reaction to Barak Rosenshine&#8217;s &#8220;Principles of Instruction&#8221; by Brian Frank</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/271/comment-page-1#comment-22909</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a re-emergence of discussion around 2006:

http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/fss/2006-1214-211848/kirschner_06_minimal_guidance.pdf

http://aed341f2010.pbworks.com/f/Direct+instruction+article.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a re-emergence of discussion around 2006:</p>
<p><a href="http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/fss/2006-1214-211848/kirschner_06_minimal_guidance.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/fss/2006-1214-211848/kirschner_06_minimal_guidance.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://aed341f2010.pbworks.com/f/Direct+instruction+article.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://aed341f2010.pbworks.com/f/Direct+instruction+article.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22880</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, Mazur isn&#039;t radical enough for me. I&#039;ve been using clickers for years, and (I think) more deeply than he tends to (unless he goes further now than he used to): &lt;a href=&quot;http://ianbeatty.com/tefa&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TEFA&lt;/a&gt;. The whole &quot;word cloud&quot; thing seems a bit gimmicky, though I could be missing something. And most seriously, he&#039;s still teaching the traditional physics curriculum with traditional grading approaches, though more interactively.

Me, I want to rethink **everything**!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, Mazur isn&#8217;t radical enough for me. I&#8217;ve been using clickers for years, and (I think) more deeply than he tends to (unless he goes further now than he used to): <a href="http://ianbeatty.com/tefa" rel="nofollow">TEFA</a>. The whole &#8220;word cloud&#8221; thing seems a bit gimmicky, though I could be missing something. And most seriously, he&#8217;s still teaching the traditional physics curriculum with traditional grading approaches, though more interactively.</p>
<p>Me, I want to rethink **everything**!</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22879</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bomb away! These comments and suggestions really help me challenge my own thinking and get new ideas.

SCALE-UP is appealing, but requires way more up-front investment of money, space redesign, course redesign time, and buy-in from my department than I can realistically get at present. Perhaps down the road a bit…

I want to learn more about the Modeling approach, as it gets implemented at the college level. I know that Eric Brewe at FIU uses it, and would love to (a) visit to see, and (b) pick his brains sometime about implementation.

Recently, I&#039;ve been (re)reading Wiggins&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://amzn.to/xjobYR&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Understanding by Design&lt;/a&gt; and Fink&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://amzn.to/wqSYcm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creating Significant Learning Experiences: An Integrated Approach to Designing College Courses&lt;/a&gt;, which tell me a lot about why I&#039;m dissatisfied with how we currently teach physics. My head is a bubbling idea soup…

:Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bomb away! These comments and suggestions really help me challenge my own thinking and get new ideas.</p>
<p>SCALE-UP is appealing, but requires way more up-front investment of money, space redesign, course redesign time, and buy-in from my department than I can realistically get at present. Perhaps down the road a bit…</p>
<p>I want to learn more about the Modeling approach, as it gets implemented at the college level. I know that Eric Brewe at FIU uses it, and would love to (a) visit to see, and (b) pick his brains sometime about implementation.</p>
<p>Recently, I&#8217;ve been (re)reading Wiggins&#8217; <a href="http://amzn.to/xjobYR" rel="nofollow">Understanding by Design</a> and Fink&#8217;s <a href="http://amzn.to/wqSYcm" rel="nofollow">Creating Significant Learning Experiences: An Integrated Approach to Designing College Courses</a>, which tell me a lot about why I&#8217;m dissatisfied with how we currently teach physics. My head is a bubbling idea soup…</p>
<p>:Ian</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Steven Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22878</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Yeah 60 at one time would be a nightmare. Have you looked into the Eric Mazur&#039;s work?  I was just reading a bit about his Physics classes at &lt;a href=&quot;http://goo.gl/A6mJz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://goo.gl/A6mJz&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Yeah 60 at one time would be a nightmare. Have you looked into the Eric Mazur&#8217;s work?  I was just reading a bit about his Physics classes at <a href="http://goo.gl/A6mJz" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/A6mJz</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Steven Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22876</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ian,

I feel like I&#039;m bombing your blog with comments, I&#039;m really interested in your experience as college-level Physics teachers struggling with the same issues as I do with high school Physics.

I have found a couple of curriculum models that were helpful in putting together a standards-based, inquiry-based Physics course.  One is the SCALE-UP program at NC State.  Although it is very technology-based the design principles are solid.  Another is &lt;a href=&quot;http://modeling.asu.edu/modeling-hs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Modeling&lt;/a&gt; approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ian,</p>
<p>I feel like I&#8217;m bombing your blog with comments, I&#8217;m really interested in your experience as college-level Physics teachers struggling with the same issues as I do with high school Physics.</p>
<p>I have found a couple of curriculum models that were helpful in putting together a standards-based, inquiry-based Physics course.  One is the SCALE-UP program at NC State.  Although it is very technology-based the design principles are solid.  Another is <a href="http://modeling.asu.edu/modeling-hs.html" rel="nofollow">Modeling</a> approach.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22875</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Thanks for your thoughts!

I&#039;ve worked with high school teachers, and am amazed by what they have to deal with and how busy they are. Hats off to you!
 
That being said, part of the problem is that I see all 60 at once (well, at least those who come to class at all), and only for 150 minutes per week. That gives me very little opportunity to interact 1:1 and offer personalized feedback, and it also means that class time is a *very* precious resource to give up for quizzes and other assessments. I do a lot of clicker-based questions/discussions that are intended to help the students get a sense of the limits of their understanding, which counts as formative assessment, but it doesn&#039;t help me keep the SBG promise of &quot;reassess until you master.&quot;
 
WRT letting students decide when they&#039;re ready to reassess, going asynchronous would be a logistical nightmare, both in terms of inventing enough different reassessments and in terms of the time required for these reassessments. Although I trust most of my students, I&#039;m quite sure I&#039;ve got a handful that will do anything they can to pass the course, honest or not. And I already have trouble getting done all the things I need to get done, both for this course and for my other responsibilities. It would undoubtedly be easier if I had my course, readings, learning standards, assessments, lab activities, etc. mostly planned out at the start of the course, but unfortunately I&#039;m scrambling day-to-day, making it up as I go along.
 
I&#039;m not trying to say &quot;poor me, I&#039;ve got it particularly rough&quot;; I&#039;m saying that for SBG with reassessment to work in largish university courses, we need a somewhat different model than what K-12 folks are successful with (as I gather from the blogosphere). Still diggin&#039;…
 
:Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Thanks for your thoughts!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked with high school teachers, and am amazed by what they have to deal with and how busy they are. Hats off to you!</p>
<p>That being said, part of the problem is that I see all 60 at once (well, at least those who come to class at all), and only for 150 minutes per week. That gives me very little opportunity to interact 1:1 and offer personalized feedback, and it also means that class time is a *very* precious resource to give up for quizzes and other assessments. I do a lot of clicker-based questions/discussions that are intended to help the students get a sense of the limits of their understanding, which counts as formative assessment, but it doesn&#8217;t help me keep the SBG promise of &#8220;reassess until you master.&#8221;</p>
<p>WRT letting students decide when they&#8217;re ready to reassess, going asynchronous would be a logistical nightmare, both in terms of inventing enough different reassessments and in terms of the time required for these reassessments. Although I trust most of my students, I&#8217;m quite sure I&#8217;ve got a handful that will do anything they can to pass the course, honest or not. And I already have trouble getting done all the things I need to get done, both for this course and for my other responsibilities. It would undoubtedly be easier if I had my course, readings, learning standards, assessments, lab activities, etc. mostly planned out at the start of the course, but unfortunately I&#8217;m scrambling day-to-day, making it up as I go along.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to say &#8220;poor me, I&#8217;ve got it particularly rough&#8221;; I&#8217;m saying that for SBG with reassessment to work in largish university courses, we need a somewhat different model than what K-12 folks are successful with (as I gather from the blogosphere). Still diggin&#8217;…</p>
<p>:Ian</p>
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		<title>Comment on more thoughts on SBG and grading exams by Steven Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/254/comment-page-1#comment-22874</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Riley.  Big broad standards are easier for teacher accounting, but much less useful for the most important reasons for assessment: giving students specific feedback and planning instruction aligned with where student current understanding.

A few years ago I was in the same place as you are now, &quot;How can I make SBG work for me?&quot;  Then I realized this was the wrong question.  My new &lt;em&gt;essential questions&lt;/em&gt;/mantra is &quot;How can I make SBG work for my students?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Riley.  Big broad standards are easier for teacher accounting, but much less useful for the most important reasons for assessment: giving students specific feedback and planning instruction aligned with where student current understanding.</p>
<p>A few years ago I was in the same place as you are now, &#8220;How can I make SBG work for me?&#8221;  Then I realized this was the wrong question.  My new <em>essential questions</em>/mantra is &#8220;How can I make SBG work for my students?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Steven Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22873</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your pain, but have to admit I&#039;m envious that you *only* have 60 students to assess/reassess. I&#039;m working with 150 high schoolers and teaching 5 hours a day. It&#039;s a nightmare.

I can offer this advice.  Not every assessment has to be a grade.  The purpose of assessment is to give feedback to students so that they can improve.  Find ways to give as much non-grade feedback as possible &lt;b&gt;before&lt;/b&gt; the graded assessment. You could even allow students to decide when they are ready to take be assessed &quot;for a grade.&quot;  The number of students needing to reassess should decrease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain, but have to admit I&#8217;m envious that you *only* have 60 students to assess/reassess. I&#8217;m working with 150 high schoolers and teaching 5 hours a day. It&#8217;s a nightmare.</p>
<p>I can offer this advice.  Not every assessment has to be a grade.  The purpose of assessment is to give feedback to students so that they can improve.  Find ways to give as much non-grade feedback as possible <b>before</b> the graded assessment. You could even allow students to decide when they are ready to take be assessed &#8220;for a grade.&#8221;  The number of students needing to reassess should decrease.</p>
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		<title>Comment on why are clicker questions hard to create? by Jeff</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/100/comment-page-1#comment-22868</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice commentary. Thanks for having this still here 2.5 years later for me to find via Google and Derek Bruff!

Jeff</description>
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		<title>Comment on Yellow Line Driving by Adam</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/13/comment-page-1#comment-22853</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Mac here.  Our roads have two other features: (1) lots of laybys, so if you wait for a notverylong time you will be able to pass; and (2) lots of pedestrians.  Just be patient, and drive slower.  Is anything so urgent that you need to risk lives for it?

And I think you misunderstand the convention that has developed:  as the passing vehicle you stay on your side of the road.  The vehicle being passed moves over enoguh to let you move past within the white lines.  You don&#039;t cross the white line into oncoming traffic for the obvious reasons that you ought not to assume that the oncoming traffic will move aside and that the worst outcome for all concerned is a head-on collision.

There is a reason you don&#039;t want your mother to know these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Mac here.  Our roads have two other features: (1) lots of laybys, so if you wait for a notverylong time you will be able to pass; and (2) lots of pedestrians.  Just be patient, and drive slower.  Is anything so urgent that you need to risk lives for it?</p>
<p>And I think you misunderstand the convention that has developed:  as the passing vehicle you stay on your side of the road.  The vehicle being passed moves over enoguh to let you move past within the white lines.  You don&#8217;t cross the white line into oncoming traffic for the obvious reasons that you ought not to assume that the oncoming traffic will move aside and that the worst outcome for all concerned is a head-on collision.</p>
<p>There is a reason you don&#8217;t want your mother to know these things.</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22844</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Christopher.

Yes, I *do* want them to be asking about the relationship between acceleration and velocity… but back during week 1, in the unit on kinematics, not *after* we&#039;ve had two successive exams on kinematics and Newton&#039;s laws, as we&#039;re opening up impulse and momentum.

I mean *sigh* yes I do want them to ask that question even at this point in the semester, if they&#039;re still struggling with that; but THEY SHOULDN&#039;T BE STRUGGLING WITH THAT ANY MORE! What distresses me is that this student can&#039;t possibly have been making any sense at all out of the last five-plus weeks of class, if they&#039;re still stuck on this. And they haven&#039;t done anything  about that. They&#039;ve just sat there confused, class after class, not speaking up, not coming to my office, not using the online homework (with tutorials and feedback and such) to learn from. And this isn&#039;t one isolated student. Passive helplessness seems to be endemic.

(Sorry, that was a bit of venting.)

Cheers,
:Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Christopher.</p>
<p>Yes, I *do* want them to be asking about the relationship between acceleration and velocity… but back during week 1, in the unit on kinematics, not *after* we&#8217;ve had two successive exams on kinematics and Newton&#8217;s laws, as we&#8217;re opening up impulse and momentum.</p>
<p>I mean *sigh* yes I do want them to ask that question even at this point in the semester, if they&#8217;re still struggling with that; but THEY SHOULDN&#8217;T BE STRUGGLING WITH THAT ANY MORE! What distresses me is that this student can&#8217;t possibly have been making any sense at all out of the last five-plus weeks of class, if they&#8217;re still stuck on this. And they haven&#8217;t done anything  about that. They&#8217;ve just sat there confused, class after class, not speaking up, not coming to my office, not using the online homework (with tutorials and feedback and such) to learn from. And this isn&#8217;t one isolated student. Passive helplessness seems to be endemic.</p>
<p>(Sorry, that was a bit of venting.)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
:Ian</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Christopher Danielson</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22842</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Danielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t teach physics. But isn&#039;t &quot;What&#039;s the relationship between acceleration and velocity?&quot; precisely the sort of question they need to be asking if they don&#039;t understand something? My thinking here is that maybe you&#039;ve moved this student a few inches in the right direction by getting him/her to look for relationships (instead of, say, algorithms to be applied to textbook problems).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t teach physics. But isn&#8217;t &#8220;What&#8217;s the relationship between acceleration and velocity?&#8221; precisely the sort of question they need to be asking if they don&#8217;t understand something? My thinking here is that maybe you&#8217;ve moved this student a few inches in the right direction by getting him/her to look for relationships (instead of, say, algorithms to be applied to textbook problems).</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Joss Ives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it is fair to make some compromises for the sake of helping students be successful in what is likely to be their one and only SBG course. It&#039;s hard to expect them to throw out all their regular academic strategies for a single course, and to get it right that first time.

An alternate way that I have been thinking of it is like when working on your Masters or PhD. You are ultimately judged by your final thesis and defense, but the conference talks and posters that you present along are not wiped out. Everything that you do along way has some weight in how you are perceived as an academic afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is fair to make some compromises for the sake of helping students be successful in what is likely to be their one and only SBG course. It&#8217;s hard to expect them to throw out all their regular academic strategies for a single course, and to get it right that first time.</p>
<p>An alternate way that I have been thinking of it is like when working on your Masters or PhD. You are ultimately judged by your final thesis and defense, but the conference talks and posters that you present along are not wiped out. Everything that you do along way has some weight in how you are perceived as an academic afterward.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to find projects that motivate/promote/contextualize learning of the skills and knowledge that downstream courses will require: for my physics majors, and also for my chem, comp sci, etc. majors. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s possible…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to find projects that motivate/promote/contextualize learning of the skills and knowledge that downstream courses will require: for my physics majors, and also for my chem, comp sci, etc. majors. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s possible…</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22839</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking that there&#039;s an opportunity for a juicy research study on what &quot;understanding&quot; means to students…</description>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22838</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you, Joss -- but that feels *wrong* to me, because it &quot;sells out&quot; on the principle of &quot;your grade measures what you&#039;ve learned at the end of the course, and nothing else.&quot; One of the primary attractions SBG has for me is that grades measure knowledge (presumably), not effort or obedience or other confounded crap.

Maybe I&#039;m just too idealistic for this job. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, Joss &#8212; but that feels *wrong* to me, because it &#8220;sells out&#8221; on the principle of &#8220;your grade measures what you&#8217;ve learned at the end of the course, and nothing else.&#8221; One of the primary attractions SBG has for me is that grades measure knowledge (presumably), not effort or obedience or other confounded crap.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just too idealistic for this job. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Joss Ives</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22837</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my main SBG concerns is how to help students not shoot themselves in the foot with procrastination. I would favor using something like a weighted average using their first (25%) and last (75%) assessments. This holds them responsible for trying to stay on top of things &quot;in the moment&quot; but rewards them greatly for improving as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my main SBG concerns is how to help students not shoot themselves in the foot with procrastination. I would favor using something like a weighted average using their first (25%) and last (75%) assessments. This holds them responsible for trying to stay on top of things &#8220;in the moment&#8221; but rewards them greatly for improving as well.</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22836</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on the ideas of problem/project based learning. I find myself really wanting to design a class that helps students learn the physics content I wish to teach as part of an effort to take on big projects that are more than building mousetrap cars or rube goldberg machines. Of course, you probably don&#039;t do stuff like this in college. But why can&#039;t we have students dig into real projects like improving the design of a solar cooker, or doing a study of the dangers of texting while driving? This would imply a significant content sacrifice, and I wonder if students who do enough physics to understand the dangers of texting while driving can transfer their understanding to be able to solve standard 1-d kinematics problems they would likely see on standardized assessment, but I think there must be a way to have students engage deeper, more meaningful assignments from the earliest forays in introductory physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on the ideas of problem/project based learning. I find myself really wanting to design a class that helps students learn the physics content I wish to teach as part of an effort to take on big projects that are more than building mousetrap cars or rube goldberg machines. Of course, you probably don&#8217;t do stuff like this in college. But why can&#8217;t we have students dig into real projects like improving the design of a solar cooker, or doing a study of the dangers of texting while driving? This would imply a significant content sacrifice, and I wonder if students who do enough physics to understand the dangers of texting while driving can transfer their understanding to be able to solve standard 1-d kinematics problems they would likely see on standardized assessment, but I think there must be a way to have students engage deeper, more meaningful assignments from the earliest forays in introductory physics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on things I want in a course design by Brian Frank</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/260/comment-page-1#comment-22835</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on almost of all this (both the ideals and the complaints). However, I think one reason I don&#039;t have as much reassessment problems is that my SBG quizzes are twice-weekly quizzes, but we still have non-sbg high-stakes tests. I close re-assessments on the date of the exam–the exam being the last chance to show me you&#039;ve learned that. While that may be anti-sbg-philosophy, it puts some heat to the fire on students, and keeps me from having to do reassessments forever. My SBG assessments are there to help them do well on some third-party exam. They don&#039;t put it off, because they can&#039;t.

I also very much agree that we need to do more to scaffold students&#039; reading comprehension strategies. Students really struggle to learn from the reading, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all laziness. It&#039;s seems to be both lacking cognitive strategies for reading and lacking a strong feeling for what understanding feels like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on almost of all this (both the ideals and the complaints). However, I think one reason I don&#8217;t have as much reassessment problems is that my SBG quizzes are twice-weekly quizzes, but we still have non-sbg high-stakes tests. I close re-assessments on the date of the exam–the exam being the last chance to show me you&#8217;ve learned that. While that may be anti-sbg-philosophy, it puts some heat to the fire on students, and keeps me from having to do reassessments forever. My SBG assessments are there to help them do well on some third-party exam. They don&#8217;t put it off, because they can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I also very much agree that we need to do more to scaffold students&#8217; reading comprehension strategies. Students really struggle to learn from the reading, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s all laziness. It&#8217;s seems to be both lacking cognitive strategies for reading and lacking a strong feeling for what understanding feels like.</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22833</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, no. I see them for three 50-minute periods per week, plus the occasional — and generally inconvenient and disliked — evening exam. (There&#039;s also a weekly three-hour lab section, but that&#039;s got its own curriculum, standards, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, no. I see them for three 50-minute periods per week, plus the occasional — and generally inconvenient and disliked — evening exam. (There&#8217;s also a weekly three-hour lab section, but that&#8217;s got its own curriculum, standards, etc.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Joss Ives</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22832</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have a recitation section? I would probably do it in class, but I have 4.5 lecture hours per week to play with, not the 3 I think you have. If there is not recitation section, a couple of afternoons would probably work just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a recitation section? I would probably do it in class, but I have 4.5 lecture hours per week to play with, not the 3 I think you have. If there is not recitation section, a couple of afternoons would probably work just fine.</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22831</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When would you do the quizzes and reassessments, Joss? In class? By appointment outside of class? Dedicate a couple afternoons a week to drop-in reassessment?</description>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Joss Ives</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22830</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have approximately the same number of students as you in my intro E&amp;M course and keeping on top of all their weekly work is a ton of work. 

The thing I was considering for (always one term away) SBG implementation was using my &lt;a href=&quot;http://learnification.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/quiz-correction-assignments/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quiz correction assignments&lt;/a&gt; as the way that they apply for reassessment. In your case they could submit an &quot;assignment&quot; that addressed all the standards they wanted to reassess using a similar format to the quiz corrections assignments. Since they are going to get reassessed, you don&#039;t need to provide any feedback on those assignments, you just need to make sure that they are complete. 

Each week you could choose a handful of standards that students are allowed to reassess and the students only complete the part of the quiz for which they applied for reassessment, so you only have to make one reassessment quiz per week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have approximately the same number of students as you in my intro E&amp;M course and keeping on top of all their weekly work is a ton of work. </p>
<p>The thing I was considering for (always one term away) SBG implementation was using my <a href="http://learnification.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/quiz-correction-assignments/" rel="nofollow">quiz correction assignments</a> as the way that they apply for reassessment. In your case they could submit an &#8220;assignment&#8221; that addressed all the standards they wanted to reassess using a similar format to the quiz corrections assignments. Since they are going to get reassessed, you don&#8217;t need to provide any feedback on those assignments, you just need to make sure that they are complete. </p>
<p>Each week you could choose a handful of standards that students are allowed to reassess and the students only complete the part of the quiz for which they applied for reassessment, so you only have to make one reassessment quiz per week.</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22829</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joss: Having them apply to reassess makes sense, but -- handling the applications (e.g., checking that they redid their prior exam well enough as homework to qualify) is yet more work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joss: Having them apply to reassess makes sense, but &#8212; handling the applications (e.g., checking that they redid their prior exam well enough as homework to qualify) is yet more work!</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22828</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhett, what are you getting them to submit via screencast?</description>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Joss Ives</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22827</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weekly quizzes and they have to apply for the standards they would like reassessed (like Kelly O&#039;Shea does).</description>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Andy Rundquist</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22826</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Rundquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant &quot;my&quot;. Now I sound like a pirate.</description>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Andy Rundquist</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22825</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Rundquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I&#039;ve really come to like in my setup is me &quot;2-week rule.&quot; It makes sure that everyone has something in so that 2 weeks later I can talk to the class about common mistakes. I don&#039;t think that decreases the number of re-assessments but it addresses your question about whether to stop new material. I, of course, keep plowing ahead, but I have a built in 2-week cycle where I circle back and spend class time on old stuff to help them keep it fresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I&#8217;ve really come to like in my setup is me &#8220;2-week rule.&#8221; It makes sure that everyone has something in so that 2 weeks later I can talk to the class about common mistakes. I don&#8217;t think that decreases the number of re-assessments but it addresses your question about whether to stop new material. I, of course, keep plowing ahead, but I have a built in 2-week cycle where I circle back and spend class time on old stuff to help them keep it fresh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22824</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see doing that with 60 students. At 5 minutes per student, that&#039;s five hours per round of assessments -- probably 10, if I also take 5 minutes for feedback. Multiply by some factor &gt;1 for reassessment, and by the number of standards in my course (admittedly too many), and… ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see doing that with 60 students. At 5 minutes per student, that&#8217;s five hours per round of assessments &#8212; probably 10, if I also take 5 minutes for feedback. Multiply by some factor >1 for reassessment, and by the number of standards in my course (admittedly too many), and… ugh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG is gonna kill me… by Rhett Allain</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/258/comment-page-1#comment-22822</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhett Allain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make all of my reassessments screen casts (under 5 min long).  This works surprisingly well.</description>
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		<title>Comment on my teaching philosophy by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/42/comment-page-1#comment-22821</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Alexander.

Your teaching philosophy statement should be a statement of what you, personally, believe about teaching -- not what I believe or what you think will impress the people you&#039;re applying to. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate for me to &quot;coach&quot; you on your statement.

If you don&#039;t *have* a teaching philosophy… Well, in that case, you should do some serious reading and thinking.
 
Good luck,
:Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Alexander.</p>
<p>Your teaching philosophy statement should be a statement of what you, personally, believe about teaching &#8212; not what I believe or what you think will impress the people you&#8217;re applying to. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s appropriate for me to &#8220;coach&#8221; you on your statement.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t *have* a teaching philosophy… Well, in that case, you should do some serious reading and thinking.</p>
<p>Good luck,<br />
:Ian</p>
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		<title>Comment on my teaching philosophy by Alexander</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/42/comment-page-1#comment-22820</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ian,

Thank you for your material. Now I am thinking to apply for physics teaching position. And I would like to get your professional opinion on my teaching philosophy statement. I writing it for first time... I am really want this job.
Could you please help in the matter? 

Thanks,

With the best regards,
Alexander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ian,</p>
<p>Thank you for your material. Now I am thinking to apply for physics teaching position. And I would like to get your professional opinion on my teaching philosophy statement. I writing it for first time&#8230; I am really want this job.<br />
Could you please help in the matter? </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>With the best regards,<br />
Alexander.</p>
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		<title>Comment on more thoughts on SBG and grading exams by Joss Ives</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/254/comment-page-1#comment-22816</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian. What&#039;s your plan for the rest of the term? Are you going to try to coarse-ify your upcoming standards and weight them more heavily?

I had a similar realization last week with my weekly quizzes. This past week I made the questions ones that I wanted them to succeed at instead of ones that I thought would stump them. In my brain I always want the first 80% of a quiz or exam to be straight forward and the last 20% to &quot;stretch&quot; them but it rarely works out that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian. What&#8217;s your plan for the rest of the term? Are you going to try to coarse-ify your upcoming standards and weight them more heavily?</p>
<p>I had a similar realization last week with my weekly quizzes. This past week I made the questions ones that I wanted them to succeed at instead of ones that I thought would stump them. In my brain I always want the first 80% of a quiz or exam to be straight forward and the last 20% to &#8220;stretch&#8221; them but it rarely works out that way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on more thoughts on SBG and grading exams by Riley</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/254/comment-page-1#comment-22815</link>
		<dc:creator>Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember that moving away from the do-you-know-this-well-enough-to-be-clever-with-it questions was difficult for me too.  I thought that asking simplistic questions based on only a single standard was too boiled down, and was losing the really important part of education: learning to THINK.  

Whatever that means! After I went whole-hog and completely isolated the skills from each other, I was immediately:

a) able to focus my instruction on exactly the weak points in my students&#039; understanding, and
b) surprised to find that *gasp* I could still ask the big questions I was so enamored with! Asking small questions doesn&#039;t stop you from asking big questions, too.

We put together some resources at http://activegrade.com/help/resources that can help teachers new to SBG think about this sort of question - how granular should standards be, and how willing are you to isolate them?

Thanks for the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that moving away from the do-you-know-this-well-enough-to-be-clever-with-it questions was difficult for me too.  I thought that asking simplistic questions based on only a single standard was too boiled down, and was losing the really important part of education: learning to THINK.  </p>
<p>Whatever that means! After I went whole-hog and completely isolated the skills from each other, I was immediately:</p>
<p>a) able to focus my instruction on exactly the weak points in my students&#8217; understanding, and<br />
b) surprised to find that *gasp* I could still ask the big questions I was so enamored with! Asking small questions doesn&#8217;t stop you from asking big questions, too.</p>
<p>We put together some resources at <a href="http://activegrade.com/help/resources" rel="nofollow">http://activegrade.com/help/resources</a> that can help teachers new to SBG think about this sort of question &#8211; how granular should standards be, and how willing are you to isolate them?</p>
<p>Thanks for the post!</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/249/comment-page-1#comment-22814</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. This tome deserves a more thoughtful reading and response than I can at present muster. Too much going on -- brain dead!</description>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/249/comment-page-1#comment-22813</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a word for that, Joss: &quot;accomplice.&quot;</description>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/249/comment-page-1#comment-22812</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad was the hijacker! I was just along for the ride.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joss, don&#039;t worry about hijacking the blog. I&#039;m happy to see a conversation. In fact, the blog hasn&#039;t had this much traffic since… uh… since my fiancée&#039;s (now wife&#039;s)  parents were scrutinizing me after I proposed. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joss, don&#8217;t worry about hijacking the blog. I&#8217;m happy to see a conversation. In fact, the blog hasn&#8217;t had this much traffic since… uh… since my fiancée&#8217;s (now wife&#8217;s)  parents were scrutinizing me after I proposed. <img src='http://ianbeatty.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on the SBG exam-grading experience by Brad Martsberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Martsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of hijacking Ian&#039;s blog...

There are rules for what is required to pass, get a C, get a B, get an A. Roughly speaking a student who gets &quot;Meets Expectations&quot; on 3/4ths of the standards will pass with a D.  &quot;Meets Expectations&quot; on every category is a C. To get a B they have to get &quot;Exceeds Expectations&quot; on 3/4ths of the standards (as well as Meets Expectation on the others). To get an A they have to have &quot;Exceptional Performance&quot; in half the categories.

There are some standards, like the constant velocity particle model, that I am not sure it&#039;s possible to get &quot;Exceptional Performance&quot;. But it&#039;s not necessary to get this mark on every standard to get an A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of hijacking Ian&#8217;s blog&#8230;</p>
<p>There are rules for what is required to pass, get a C, get a B, get an A. Roughly speaking a student who gets &#8220;Meets Expectations&#8221; on 3/4ths of the standards will pass with a D.  &#8220;Meets Expectations&#8221; on every category is a C. To get a B they have to get &#8220;Exceeds Expectations&#8221; on 3/4ths of the standards (as well as Meets Expectation on the others). To get an A they have to have &#8220;Exceptional Performance&#8221; in half the categories.</p>
<p>There are some standards, like the constant velocity particle model, that I am not sure it&#8217;s possible to get &#8220;Exceptional Performance&#8221;. But it&#8217;s not necessary to get this mark on every standard to get an A.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clever! That&#039;s a nice way to avoid the point counting. How are you turning the standards into grades at the end of the course (forgive me if you have already written about that).</description>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Martsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one reason I decided not to give numbers at all. Students get quizzes back with the standards listed and either a &quot;Does not meet expectations&quot;, &quot;Meets Expectations&quot;, &quot;Exceeds Expectations&quot; or &quot;Exceptional Performance&quot;. There is nothing to add up. If they have questions about what that means (and they do), I just get out the rubric that&#039;s on the syllabus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one reason I decided not to give numbers at all. Students get quizzes back with the standards listed and either a &#8220;Does not meet expectations&#8221;, &#8220;Meets Expectations&#8221;, &#8220;Exceeds Expectations&#8221; or &#8220;Exceptional Performance&#8221;. There is nothing to add up. If they have questions about what that means (and they do), I just get out the rubric that&#8217;s on the syllabus.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sadly expect that most of the students that would normally look at the grade without ever looking at what they did wrong will quickly add up the standards to get a score and file the exam away...but I&#039;m hoping they take advantage of the learning opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sadly expect that most of the students that would normally look at the grade without ever looking at what they did wrong will quickly add up the standards to get a score and file the exam away&#8230;but I&#8217;m hoping they take advantage of the learning opportunity.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Martsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

Thanks for the updates, I like to see how this is going for you and how you are handling the various challenges. This is partly in response to your last post, and partly this one.

I read a blog post shortly before the semester started that spelled out the difference between formative and summative assessment (http://joshg.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/summa-wha-defining-our-assessment-buzzwords/). This prompted me to create two separate lists of standards, one which is formative and one which is summative -- of course, they overlap. The formative list includes everything that can be learned in the class. The summative list includes only the things that they will impact the grade that goes on their transcript.

This way I can have as many formative standards as I want without worrying about overloading myself. They can be fine grained enough to where the assessment is almost binary. I can use this list to give the students formative feedback, e.g. You&#039;re not able to solve Newton&#039;s 2nd law problems because you aren&#039;t correctly resolving vectors into components (even though there is no summative standards on vectors).

I have a weekly quiz and we&#039;ve had 3 so far. There are physics problems on the quiz and the students are not prompted as to which standards are relevant in each problem. Frankly, that would be like giving them the answer (which may not be true for a different set of standards).

One of the things students are learning on these quizzes is that the right answer doesn&#039;t matter. Just because you calculated the right numerical answer to the question doesn&#039;t mean you demonstrated anything on the rubric for any of the standards.  By the 3rd quiz I have some students who get it and some who still don&#039;t. Students now start a problem by identifying the relevant standard(s) and then continue by applying those standards. (The standards are generally models, so if they do this right, equation hunting is eliminated.)

One issue that I have is something you mentioned in your last post. All standards are weighted equally in the final grade. This might be a mistake as some are probably more important than others. I recently had a thought that perhaps a good weighting between standards could be achieved naturally through a mind-map (which I just learned about from Andy :-) ).

At the end of the semester, the students make a mind-map and the most highly connected nodes get higher weighting in the final grade. You can think of whatever meaningful function of the number of edges on the node you want. A side effect is that it is now impossible (or extremely difficult) for a student to even try to estimate their final grade during the semester. I suppose this might be good or bad, but one positive effect is that the students should just worry about doing well on the standards and not worry about their grades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>Thanks for the updates, I like to see how this is going for you and how you are handling the various challenges. This is partly in response to your last post, and partly this one.</p>
<p>I read a blog post shortly before the semester started that spelled out the difference between formative and summative assessment (<a href="http://joshg.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/summa-wha-defining-our-assessment-buzzwords/" rel="nofollow">http://joshg.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/summa-wha-defining-our-assessment-buzzwords/</a>). This prompted me to create two separate lists of standards, one which is formative and one which is summative &#8212; of course, they overlap. The formative list includes everything that can be learned in the class. The summative list includes only the things that they will impact the grade that goes on their transcript.</p>
<p>This way I can have as many formative standards as I want without worrying about overloading myself. They can be fine grained enough to where the assessment is almost binary. I can use this list to give the students formative feedback, e.g. You&#8217;re not able to solve Newton&#8217;s 2nd law problems because you aren&#8217;t correctly resolving vectors into components (even though there is no summative standards on vectors).</p>
<p>I have a weekly quiz and we&#8217;ve had 3 so far. There are physics problems on the quiz and the students are not prompted as to which standards are relevant in each problem. Frankly, that would be like giving them the answer (which may not be true for a different set of standards).</p>
<p>One of the things students are learning on these quizzes is that the right answer doesn&#8217;t matter. Just because you calculated the right numerical answer to the question doesn&#8217;t mean you demonstrated anything on the rubric for any of the standards.  By the 3rd quiz I have some students who get it and some who still don&#8217;t. Students now start a problem by identifying the relevant standard(s) and then continue by applying those standards. (The standards are generally models, so if they do this right, equation hunting is eliminated.)</p>
<p>One issue that I have is something you mentioned in your last post. All standards are weighted equally in the final grade. This might be a mistake as some are probably more important than others. I recently had a thought that perhaps a good weighting between standards could be achieved naturally through a mind-map (which I just learned about from Andy <img src='http://ianbeatty.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
<p>At the end of the semester, the students make a mind-map and the most highly connected nodes get higher weighting in the final grade. You can think of whatever meaningful function of the number of edges on the node you want. A side effect is that it is now impossible (or extremely difficult) for a student to even try to estimate their final grade during the semester. I suppose this might be good or bad, but one positive effect is that the students should just worry about doing well on the standards and not worry about their grades.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure, Andy. Not sure how to tell, either. It will take them some effort to decipher my scoring sheet, though! And there&#039;s no one &quot;grade&quot; they can look to for &quot;how well they did&quot;, so they have to at least scan down the list of standard-by-standard scores…</description>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Rundquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think students will look more carefully at their exams when they&#039;re handed back? I think when we do points, if they feel they can afford to lose the points, they don&#039;t pay close attention to any feedback. With SBG, we really want them to.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Michael.

The faster pace is one difference for us postsecondary folks; the fact that we&#039;ve got a smaller ratio of in-class time to (expected) out-of-class time is also big. It means that class time is very precious, and giving up any to assessment is difficult. I really struggle to assess enough to carry off SBG.

And I despise the weed-out mentality. Yeah, some of the students who come my way aren&#039;t ready for physics (yet?), but many who would normally be &quot;weeded out&quot; can in fact be helped to learn and adjust and not just survive the course, but end up as much stronger learners in the future. I see it as part of my job to figure out *why* they &quot;can&#039;t do physics&quot;, and then to help them change that.</description>
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<p>The faster pace is one difference for us postsecondary folks; the fact that we&#8217;ve got a smaller ratio of in-class time to (expected) out-of-class time is also big. It means that class time is very precious, and giving up any to assessment is difficult. I really struggle to assess enough to carry off SBG.</p>
<p>And I despise the weed-out mentality. Yeah, some of the students who come my way aren&#8217;t ready for physics (yet?), but many who would normally be &#8220;weeded out&#8221; can in fact be helped to learn and adjust and not just survive the course, but end up as much stronger learners in the future. I see it as part of my job to figure out *why* they &#8220;can&#8217;t do physics&#8221;, and then to help them change that.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Michael George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using SBG in my own high school physics classroom for four years now, and I ran into many of the issues you are dealing with right now.  In my course, I&#039;ve boiled each of my units down to no more than six goals.  We also only cover about seven units throughout the entire year.  This makes for a total of about forty goals (give or take) for my entire course.  Because of this, I can implement a system where I test each goal multiple times and adjust my instruction accordingly.  I am aware that the pace of a university level class is, by necessity, faster than a freshman level high school course.  This can be justified to a certain extent by the fact that your students are likely entering a science-related field while mine constitute a cross section of the entire student body.  The danger, in my mind, is when the &quot;weed out&quot; philosophy becomes an easy justification for bad teaching, which it most certainly did for the survey courses I suffered through while I was in college.  In other words, if you cant absorb three or four major learning goals per class session, you should go change majors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using SBG in my own high school physics classroom for four years now, and I ran into many of the issues you are dealing with right now.  In my course, I&#8217;ve boiled each of my units down to no more than six goals.  We also only cover about seven units throughout the entire year.  This makes for a total of about forty goals (give or take) for my entire course.  Because of this, I can implement a system where I test each goal multiple times and adjust my instruction accordingly.  I am aware that the pace of a university level class is, by necessity, faster than a freshman level high school course.  This can be justified to a certain extent by the fact that your students are likely entering a science-related field while mine constitute a cross section of the entire student body.  The danger, in my mind, is when the &#8220;weed out&#8221; philosophy becomes an easy justification for bad teaching, which it most certainly did for the survey courses I suffered through while I was in college.  In other words, if you cant absorb three or four major learning goals per class session, you should go change majors.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of communicating a list of non-assessed standards, where it is understood that the reason that these are not assessed directly is that they are important core skills for multiple standards.

I really like the way Brian Frank approached the idea of the more-encompassing standards by making synthesis standards that go with each unit: http://teachbrianteach.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/baby-sbg-jump/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of communicating a list of non-assessed standards, where it is understood that the reason that these are not assessed directly is that they are important core skills for multiple standards.</p>
<p>I really like the way Brian Frank approached the idea of the more-encompassing standards by making synthesis standards that go with each unit: <a href="http://teachbrianteach.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/baby-sbg-jump/" rel="nofollow">http://teachbrianteach.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/baby-sbg-jump/</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay… I&#039;ll email direct to you, for obvious security reasons. Feedback welcome!</description>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I like about breaking subsidiary skills out into their own standards is that it makes them explicit to students. The thing I don&#039;t like is the assessment headaches mentioned above.

I suppose one approach is to have assessed and non-assessd standards (whether pre-advertised as such or not). Another is to have &quot;sub-standards&quot; explicitly broken out for some or all standards, but to keep assessment at the main-standard level rather than the sub-standard level.

I still worry that the logical end of assessing higher-level, more-encompassing standards is that we&#039;ll end up with &quot;topics&quot;: &quot;You got a 3/4 on the &lt;em&gt;kinematics standard&lt;/em&gt;, and a 2/4 on the &lt;em&gt;Newton&#039;s Laws&lt;/em&gt; standard.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I like about breaking subsidiary skills out into their own standards is that it makes them explicit to students. The thing I don&#8217;t like is the assessment headaches mentioned above.</p>
<p>I suppose one approach is to have assessed and non-assessd standards (whether pre-advertised as such or not). Another is to have &#8220;sub-standards&#8221; explicitly broken out for some or all standards, but to keep assessment at the main-standard level rather than the sub-standard level.</p>
<p>I still worry that the logical end of assessing higher-level, more-encompassing standards is that we&#8217;ll end up with &#8220;topics&#8221;: &#8220;You got a 3/4 on the <em>kinematics standard</em>, and a 2/4 on the <em>Newton&#8217;s Laws</em> standard.&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be keen to see the exam and grading form at some point.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Joss.

I had put in little tags like &quot;s03.4&quot; at the end of each problem or problem-part to indicate which standards they were assessing, but some of the parts addressed more than one standard, and without the master standards list to look up the codes on I&#039;m sure the students wouldn&#039;t remember what the various standards were, and putting in the entire text of the standards seemed way too verbose, and anyway students should simply focus on answering the question… so I took the codes out.

Instead, I made up a grading form that I&#039;ll fill out as I grade each exam, and then staple to the end to return to students. It&#039;s got a list of the questions and their parts, with the relevant standard (code) next to it, and then a space for me to put the 0-4 mastery code. If more than one standard is relevant, I&#039;ve got two lines for that part, one for each standard. If multiple parts work together to assess one question, I simply list them on one line, e.g. &quot;1 abc&quot;.

We&#039;ll see whether that keeps SBG scoring from becoming a nightmare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Joss.</p>
<p>I had put in little tags like &#8220;s03.4&#8243; at the end of each problem or problem-part to indicate which standards they were assessing, but some of the parts addressed more than one standard, and without the master standards list to look up the codes on I&#8217;m sure the students wouldn&#8217;t remember what the various standards were, and putting in the entire text of the standards seemed way too verbose, and anyway students should simply focus on answering the question… so I took the codes out.</p>
<p>Instead, I made up a grading form that I&#8217;ll fill out as I grade each exam, and then staple to the end to return to students. It&#8217;s got a list of the questions and their parts, with the relevant standard (code) next to it, and then a space for me to put the 0-4 mastery code. If more than one standard is relevant, I&#8217;ve got two lines for that part, one for each standard. If multiple parts work together to assess one question, I simply list them on one line, e.g. &#8220;1 abc&#8221;.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see whether that keeps SBG scoring from becoming a nightmare!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of a not having to include a &quot;Basic&quot; standard greatly simplifies some of the things that I have been kicking around in my mind and highlights a major potential difference between standards and learning goals/outcomes.

Ian, how have you set up your midterm? Have you chosen to clearly indicated to them the standard being assessed for each question or is that correlation of question to standard something that they will see after the midterm?</description>
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<p>Ian, how have you set up your midterm? Have you chosen to clearly indicated to them the standard being assessed for each question or is that correlation of question to standard something that they will see after the midterm?</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG update: learning as I go by Andy Rundquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Rundquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve recently been thinking about the &quot;too basic&quot; standards issue. I had a big epiphany yesterday, as I was putting the finishing touches onto my syllabus for an SBG Optics course that starts Thursday, about how I can still spend class time developing skills, like how to manipulate complex numbers, without having to stipulate a standard for it. It&#039;s simply a skill they&#039;ll need for lots of standards and I can spend class time on it because it helps them in the long run. In my recent classes I&#039;ve felt that all class time had to be in support of a particular standard, but I&#039;m happy that I now realize that class time can be a little flexible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently been thinking about the &#8220;too basic&#8221; standards issue. I had a big epiphany yesterday, as I was putting the finishing touches onto my syllabus for an SBG Optics course that starts Thursday, about how I can still spend class time developing skills, like how to manipulate complex numbers, without having to stipulate a standard for it. It&#8217;s simply a skill they&#8217;ll need for lots of standards and I can spend class time on it because it helps them in the long run. In my recent classes I&#8217;ve felt that all class time had to be in support of a particular standard, but I&#8217;m happy that I now realize that class time can be a little flexible.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Bruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I fell a whole day behind what I had planned by the second week of classes, too! This always happens to me the first time I teach a course in a new way, like I&#039;m doing with this stats course, adding in a data visualization unit right at the front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I fell a whole day behind what I had planned by the second week of classes, too! This always happens to me the first time I teach a course in a new way, like I&#8217;m doing with this stats course, adding in a data visualization unit right at the front.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Andy says, students are pretty forgiving (and also have a pretty short memory). This is why best practice seems to be to constantly remind students of why you are doing what you are doing. This also means that if you miss some salesmanship opportunities in the first week, you have the whole term continuously work on buy-in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Andy says, students are pretty forgiving (and also have a pretty short memory). This is why best practice seems to be to constantly remind students of why you are doing what you are doing. This also means that if you miss some salesmanship opportunities in the first week, you have the whole term continuously work on buy-in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SBG update: not off to a good start. by Andy Rundquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Rundquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it when I lose the forest for the trees (or, usually, one tree). Often students are forgiving, my guess is you can right the ship on Wednesday. Good luck!</description>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree -- standards should be about what students can *do*. I think that helps us connect to assessments, as well as helping students get past the &quot;I understand the concepts but can&#039;t do the problems&quot; trap.

It seems to me that the more fine-grained the standards, the more helpful they are to students in directing their attention to what specifically they should be trying to learn. (Granted, we&#039;d also probably need &quot;integrative&quot; standards like &quot;I can choose an appropriate integration technique for a given integral.&quot;) The counterbalance to that is that assessment and reassessment can become impractical for us.

(It probably won&#039;t surprise too many experienced SBGers that I am, at this very moment, starting to regret having committed myself to as many standards as I have…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree &#8212; standards should be about what students can *do*. I think that helps us connect to assessments, as well as helping students get past the &#8220;I understand the concepts but can&#8217;t do the problems&#8221; trap.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the more fine-grained the standards, the more helpful they are to students in directing their attention to what specifically they should be trying to learn. (Granted, we&#8217;d also probably need &#8220;integrative&#8221; standards like &#8220;I can choose an appropriate integration technique for a given integral.&#8221;) The counterbalance to that is that assessment and reassessment can become impractical for us.</p>
<p>(It probably won&#8217;t surprise too many experienced SBGers that I am, at this very moment, starting to regret having committed myself to as many standards as I have…)</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Christopher Danielson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Danielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the truncated name before.

What a lovely question you pose. I would say the difference isn&#039;t size but language. &quot;Chapter 1&quot; is of course the worst possible language because it communicates nothing of substance (and displays robotic planning on the part of the instructor). That would be &quot;Chapter-based grading,&quot; which surely goes on in some classrooms.

Something such as &quot;Evaluate integrals&quot; is better, but still awfully non-specific. That&#039;s a topic (I think).

I have settled on breaking that into two pieces and specifying (admittedly in a vagueish sort of way) &quot;challenging&quot; integrals. Prerequisite to that is being able to evaluate simple integrals.

The next step would be to break everything out into the various  integration techniques. &quot;Evaluate integrals by u-substitution&quot;, &quot;Evalutate integrals by partial fraction decomposition&quot;, etc. Lots of math folks go that route, and they end up with 80 or so standards. For me, that&#039;s too fragmented. I&#039;m thinking I can manage a dozen or so.

So for me there&#039;s a big difference in the language. A standard ought to tell students what they can DO. A topic tells them the domain in which they are studying. Calc I has three topics-limits, derivatives and integrals. But that doesn&#039;t tell students anything about what they&#039;re supposed to be able to do.</description>
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<p>What a lovely question you pose. I would say the difference isn&#8217;t size but language. &#8220;Chapter 1&#8243; is of course the worst possible language because it communicates nothing of substance (and displays robotic planning on the part of the instructor). That would be &#8220;Chapter-based grading,&#8221; which surely goes on in some classrooms.</p>
<p>Something such as &#8220;Evaluate integrals&#8221; is better, but still awfully non-specific. That&#8217;s a topic (I think).</p>
<p>I have settled on breaking that into two pieces and specifying (admittedly in a vagueish sort of way) &#8220;challenging&#8221; integrals. Prerequisite to that is being able to evaluate simple integrals.</p>
<p>The next step would be to break everything out into the various  integration techniques. &#8220;Evaluate integrals by u-substitution&#8221;, &#8220;Evalutate integrals by partial fraction decomposition&#8221;, etc. Lots of math folks go that route, and they end up with 80 or so standards. For me, that&#8217;s too fragmented. I&#8217;m thinking I can manage a dozen or so.</p>
<p>So for me there&#8217;s a big difference in the language. A standard ought to tell students what they can DO. A topic tells them the domain in which they are studying. Calc I has three topics-limits, derivatives and integrals. But that doesn&#8217;t tell students anything about what they&#8217;re supposed to be able to do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Brad Martsberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Martsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 04:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The class schedule here is out of the ordinary. The meeting times are MW 1pm -4pm. I have the lab room on Mondays and a lecture room on Wednesdays. Assessment (and reassessment) will be done with weekly written quizzes, ~20-25 mins. These can be done twice a week if we need the time. Additionally there is optional oral assessment that takes place outside of class, either directly before or after. The student has to choose a problem and submit a written solution before they can do an oral assessment. 

Orals are optional, but will be necessary for anyone who wants to do a large number of reassessment or wants to get a large number of &quot;Exceptional Performance&quot; scores (i.e., get an &quot;A&quot;, or for some a &quot;B&quot; in the class). I think it will be possible for an average student to get a &quot;C&quot; in the class without doing oral assessments. I think every student would be foolish not to at least give them a shot, and I will counsel them about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The class schedule here is out of the ordinary. The meeting times are MW 1pm -4pm. I have the lab room on Mondays and a lecture room on Wednesdays. Assessment (and reassessment) will be done with weekly written quizzes, ~20-25 mins. These can be done twice a week if we need the time. Additionally there is optional oral assessment that takes place outside of class, either directly before or after. The student has to choose a problem and submit a written solution before they can do an oral assessment. </p>
<p>Orals are optional, but will be necessary for anyone who wants to do a large number of reassessment or wants to get a large number of &#8220;Exceptional Performance&#8221; scores (i.e., get an &#8220;A&#8221;, or for some a &#8220;B&#8221; in the class). I think it will be possible for an average student to get a &#8220;C&#8221; in the class without doing oral assessments. I think every student would be foolish not to at least give them a shot, and I will counsel them about this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 04:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds cogently conceived. How are you planning on assessing and reassessing: written exams only? Quizzes too? In-person oral exams? Something else?

Thanks,
:Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds cogently conceived. How are you planning on assessing and reassessing: written exams only? Quizzes too? In-person oral exams? Something else?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
:Ian</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Brad Martsberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Martsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

I&#039;m also teaching Physics I this semester and using SBG. I taught Physics I last semester with traditional grading and was disappointed in two things: 1) students didn&#039;t connect getting a question/problem wrong with what physics topic they weren&#039;t understanding, 2) Students improved after the test and there was no good way to re-assess.

I also had a tough time making a good list of standards. When I wound up with a gigantic list, I realized there was no way I could manage with that many (and my class has a max 24 students). Eventually I decided to make two lists, essentially &quot;formative grading categories&quot; and &quot;summative grading categories&quot;.

The formative list has everything on it and borders on obnoxiously long and detailed. This list allows me to focus a student on a detailed task that they either do or do not get. So students will sometimes get feedback on a formative category even though they never get a grade for it.

The summative list contains everything they will get a score for that affects their final grade. It is essentially a subset of the formative list, but the topics are of the broader variety and there are only about 48 categories.

For example, vectors only show up in the formative list, not the summative list. They need to know, understand, and have skills in vectors in order to do many of the things they will get grades for, but their final grade does not directly reflect vectors.

To give a basic idea, the summative categories that I chose are based on what&#039;s in Serway&#039;s book. There are 12 &quot;analysis models&quot; (his term for an abstract model that can be applied to solve concrete problems), 17 &quot;physical models&quot; (these are things like free-fall, Hooke&#039;s law springs, friction, etc),  5 &quot;Physical Laws&quot; (Newton&#039;s laws, Conservation laws), 12 lab categories,  and 2 &quot;whole semester&quot; categories (units, written/oral communication).

The Rubric requires being able to recognize when a particular model is applicable to a given physical situation and make connections between different categories in order to get a score of &quot;Exceeds Expectations&quot; or &quot;Exceptional Performance&quot;.

That&#039;s my stab at SBG for Physics I. I&#039;ll be interested to keep up with how it goes for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also teaching Physics I this semester and using SBG. I taught Physics I last semester with traditional grading and was disappointed in two things: 1) students didn&#8217;t connect getting a question/problem wrong with what physics topic they weren&#8217;t understanding, 2) Students improved after the test and there was no good way to re-assess.</p>
<p>I also had a tough time making a good list of standards. When I wound up with a gigantic list, I realized there was no way I could manage with that many (and my class has a max 24 students). Eventually I decided to make two lists, essentially &#8220;formative grading categories&#8221; and &#8220;summative grading categories&#8221;.</p>
<p>The formative list has everything on it and borders on obnoxiously long and detailed. This list allows me to focus a student on a detailed task that they either do or do not get. So students will sometimes get feedback on a formative category even though they never get a grade for it.</p>
<p>The summative list contains everything they will get a score for that affects their final grade. It is essentially a subset of the formative list, but the topics are of the broader variety and there are only about 48 categories.</p>
<p>For example, vectors only show up in the formative list, not the summative list. They need to know, understand, and have skills in vectors in order to do many of the things they will get grades for, but their final grade does not directly reflect vectors.</p>
<p>To give a basic idea, the summative categories that I chose are based on what&#8217;s in Serway&#8217;s book. There are 12 &#8220;analysis models&#8221; (his term for an abstract model that can be applied to solve concrete problems), 17 &#8220;physical models&#8221; (these are things like free-fall, Hooke&#8217;s law springs, friction, etc),  5 &#8220;Physical Laws&#8221; (Newton&#8217;s laws, Conservation laws), 12 lab categories,  and 2 &#8220;whole semester&#8221; categories (units, written/oral communication).</p>
<p>The Rubric requires being able to recognize when a particular model is applicable to a given physical situation and make connections between different categories in order to get a score of &#8220;Exceeds Expectations&#8221; or &#8220;Exceptional Performance&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my stab at SBG for Physics I. I&#8217;ll be interested to keep up with how it goes for you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Simon Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, 

Thanks for sharing this and future updates. I&#039;ll watch your progress with great interest. Like you, I sat in Andy R&#039;s PERC talk last summer, and felt the light bulb go on listening to what he was talking about in his dynamics class. 

Our intro physics course contains ~200 students and a mix of majors and non-majors (but all with calculus) in the same cohort. Even without taking the plunge to use standards for grading, I am finding it&#039;s a really useful way to look closely at what we as instructors feel is important for students to master in a course. And you&#039;re right about there being a lot of it in Physics 1!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this and future updates. I&#8217;ll watch your progress with great interest. Like you, I sat in Andy R&#8217;s PERC talk last summer, and felt the light bulb go on listening to what he was talking about in his dynamics class. </p>
<p>Our intro physics course contains ~200 students and a mix of majors and non-majors (but all with calculus) in the same cohort. Even without taking the plunge to use standards for grading, I am finding it&#8217;s a really useful way to look closely at what we as instructors feel is important for students to master in a course. And you&#8217;re right about there being a lot of it in Physics 1!</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Joss Ives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian,

I really like your point about the number of standards reflecting the importance of a topic. If I look at the learning goals I have developed for my own courses, there is a definite slow transition from the beginning of the course, where each little idea or skill gets its own, to the end of the course, where the standards become (as you say) more holistic. Unpacking those standards or learning goals for the later topics into the same granularity as the earlier ones does seem like an effortful task.

I also like the idea of having a healthy number of &quot;above and beyond&quot; standards because it allows for a system where students can get full marks on a regular standard for being correct, and there doesn&#039;t always have to be room for them to get that &quot;4&quot; by going above and beyond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian,</p>
<p>I really like your point about the number of standards reflecting the importance of a topic. If I look at the learning goals I have developed for my own courses, there is a definite slow transition from the beginning of the course, where each little idea or skill gets its own, to the end of the course, where the standards become (as you say) more holistic. Unpacking those standards or learning goals for the later topics into the same granularity as the earlier ones does seem like an effortful task.</p>
<p>I also like the idea of having a healthy number of &#8220;above and beyond&#8221; standards because it allows for a system where students can get full marks on a regular standard for being correct, and there doesn&#8217;t always have to be room for them to get that &#8220;4&#8243; by going above and beyond.</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/222/comment-page-1#comment-22769</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At what point does SBG with such broad standards simply become &quot;topic grades&quot;? Chapter grade, chapter 2, grade, etc. (Or am I setting up a false distinction? Quite possibly…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point does SBG with such broad standards simply become &#8220;topic grades&#8221;? Chapter grade, chapter 2, grade, etc. (Or am I setting up a false distinction? Quite possibly…)</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Chri</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/222/comment-page-1#comment-22768</link>
		<dc:creator>Chri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same boat, man. Teaching Calc II (for first time) using SBG (for first time with college students, but I&#039;ve been building up to it, and I pulled it off at middle school a number of years back). 
I&#039;m all about fewer big standards. I&#039;ve got six topics, each with between one and three standards. Twelve standards total. For example, here is one topic and its two standards:

Topic: Evaluate integrals
Standard 1: Evaluate challenging definite integrals exactly
Standard 2: Evaluate challenging definite integrals by approximation

Embedded in Standard 1 is a whole mess of integration techniques. So in assessing that, I&#039;ll throw parts, partial fractions, etc. at them on different assessments. If they can do some but not all of these, that&#039;ll show up as a 2 somewhere along the way.

That&#039;s my approach. Hope it provides food for thought.

Thanks for sharing. Keep us posted, OK?

Obligatory &lt;a href=&quot;http://alwaysformative.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shout out to Jason Buell here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same boat, man. Teaching Calc II (for first time) using SBG (for first time with college students, but I&#8217;ve been building up to it, and I pulled it off at middle school a number of years back).<br />
I&#8217;m all about fewer big standards. I&#8217;ve got six topics, each with between one and three standards. Twelve standards total. For example, here is one topic and its two standards:</p>
<p>Topic: Evaluate integrals<br />
Standard 1: Evaluate challenging definite integrals exactly<br />
Standard 2: Evaluate challenging definite integrals by approximation</p>
<p>Embedded in Standard 1 is a whole mess of integration techniques. So in assessing that, I&#8217;ll throw parts, partial fractions, etc. at them on different assessments. If they can do some but not all of these, that&#8217;ll show up as a 2 somewhere along the way.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my approach. Hope it provides food for thought.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing. Keep us posted, OK?</p>
<p>Obligatory <a href="http://alwaysformative.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">shout out to Jason Buell here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by Michal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, I&#039;m excited to hear your thoughts as the semester continues.  I think narrowing down a list of meaningful and effective learning goals is one of the hardest parts and I think your point about losing the &quot;bigger-picture holistic aspects&quot; is an important one.  

Since you have some really specific skills necessary to understanding the concepts, I wonder if you can kind of bundle them.  You could give students the full list of big goals with each individual skill bundled within them(so they know what small skills they will need to be able to do in order to comprehend the larger picture), but only assess and track the bigger ones.  That would cut down on the number of standards in your gradebook and the number of specific reassessments.  But, at the same time, if a student is struggling with a big concept, they know which specific skills to focus on.

I hope you include something in your syllabus about the big picture, even as you give them a detailed skills list, because I think it&#039;s so important that students are reminded of it and know that you value it.

Thanks for sharing your process Ian!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I&#8217;m excited to hear your thoughts as the semester continues.  I think narrowing down a list of meaningful and effective learning goals is one of the hardest parts and I think your point about losing the &#8220;bigger-picture holistic aspects&#8221; is an important one.  </p>
<p>Since you have some really specific skills necessary to understanding the concepts, I wonder if you can kind of bundle them.  You could give students the full list of big goals with each individual skill bundled within them(so they know what small skills they will need to be able to do in order to comprehend the larger picture), but only assess and track the bigger ones.  That would cut down on the number of standards in your gradebook and the number of specific reassessments.  But, at the same time, if a student is struggling with a big concept, they know which specific skills to focus on.</p>
<p>I hope you include something in your syllabus about the big picture, even as you give them a detailed skills list, because I think it&#8217;s so important that students are reminded of it and know that you value it.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your process Ian!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, James.

One thing I worry about with fine-grained standards is that they slice-and-dice the material up into chunks and in the process lose the bigger-picture, holistic aspects. I&#039;m thinking that perhaps having some whole-game standards as well as fine-grained ones might be optimal.

I&#039;m actually leaning a bit that way in my current course, with standards like &quot;I can use angular kinematics with the uniform and accelerated circular motion models to analyze physical situations&quot; in addition to &quot;I can relate angular variables (such as period, frequency, arc length, angular position, angular velocity, and angular acceleration) to each other and to linear variables.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, James.</p>
<p>One thing I worry about with fine-grained standards is that they slice-and-dice the material up into chunks and in the process lose the bigger-picture, holistic aspects. I&#8217;m thinking that perhaps having some whole-game standards as well as fine-grained ones might be optimal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually leaning a bit that way in my current course, with standards like &#8220;I can use angular kinematics with the uniform and accelerated circular motion models to analyze physical situations&#8221; in addition to &#8220;I can relate angular variables (such as period, frequency, arc length, angular position, angular velocity, and angular acceleration) to each other and to linear variables.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on taking the plunge into standards-based grading by James Hosler</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hosler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just this semester started SBG as well. I teach all levels of Latin at the high school level, but it is amazing how similar the problems you describe are to the ones I have been facing myself. Specific standards vs. general standards? I have never had an issue more difficult to solve as a teacher. At this point, having been sold on the philosophy of SBG, I think all that&#039;s left for us to do is try, learn, and revise our approaches.
   I have a bit to add, though, about specific vs. general standards that may or may not help. It seems to me that specific standards are good because 1) they really do articulate easily-assessable skills, 2) they are more transparent, and 3) they are more readily useful for remediation. On the other hand, general standards have the advantage of being more comprehensive and can be used to keep students accountable for material that was learned a while ago. So, maybe general standards would be ideal for you to use later on in the semester, because they would target both new skills and require retention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just this semester started SBG as well. I teach all levels of Latin at the high school level, but it is amazing how similar the problems you describe are to the ones I have been facing myself. Specific standards vs. general standards? I have never had an issue more difficult to solve as a teacher. At this point, having been sold on the philosophy of SBG, I think all that&#8217;s left for us to do is try, learn, and revise our approaches.<br />
   I have a bit to add, though, about specific vs. general standards that may or may not help. It seems to me that specific standards are good because 1) they really do articulate easily-assessable skills, 2) they are more transparent, and 3) they are more readily useful for remediation. On the other hand, general standards have the advantage of being more comprehensive and can be used to keep students accountable for material that was learned a while ago. So, maybe general standards would be ideal for you to use later on in the semester, because they would target both new skills and require retention.</p>
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		<title>Comment on standards vs. authentic performance tasks? by John</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/217/comment-page-1#comment-22463</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 02:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having good success with a grading system that counts standards as 90% of the grade, and then requires students to complete &lt;a href=&quot;https://quantumprogress.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/raising-the-bar-for-an-a—capstones/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;capstone projects&lt;/a&gt; to earn grades above 90. Students are very enthusiastic about the projects, conversation about grades is pretty minimal, and I&#039;m really impressed with some of the work students are doing. Here&#039;s a link to all of my posts about &lt;a href=&quot;https://quantumprogress.wordpress.com/?s=capstone&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;capstones&lt;/a&gt;. Here&#039;s a link to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://burkphysics.com/wordpress/whitw/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;few examples&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://burkphysics.com/wordpress/roses/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;student work&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having good success with a grading system that counts standards as 90% of the grade, and then requires students to complete <a href="https://quantumprogress.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/raising-the-bar-for-an-a—capstones/" rel="nofollow">capstone projects</a> to earn grades above 90. Students are very enthusiastic about the projects, conversation about grades is pretty minimal, and I&#8217;m really impressed with some of the work students are doing. Here&#8217;s a link to all of my posts about <a href="https://quantumprogress.wordpress.com/?s=capstone" rel="nofollow">capstones</a>. Here&#8217;s a link to a <a href="http://burkphysics.com/wordpress/whitw/" rel="nofollow">few examples</a> of <a href="http://burkphysics.com/wordpress/roses/" rel="nofollow">student work</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on my teaching philosophy by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/42/comment-page-1#comment-22462</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Victoria.

Yes, it turns out I did get the job, although it was a complicated scenario (cluster hire) so I&#039;m not sure you can attribute too much to the teaching statement itself. No, I haven&#039;t had any responses posted to the blog yet. (BTW, I&#039;m currently rethinking my teaching philosophy… Not because I&#039;m changing my mind about anything I said here, but because my research, experiences, and thinking over the past couple of years have taken me even farther.)

Good luck with your job search!
:Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Victoria.</p>
<p>Yes, it turns out I did get the job, although it was a complicated scenario (cluster hire) so I&#8217;m not sure you can attribute too much to the teaching statement itself. No, I haven&#8217;t had any responses posted to the blog yet. (BTW, I&#8217;m currently rethinking my teaching philosophy… Not because I&#8217;m changing my mind about anything I said here, but because my research, experiences, and thinking over the past couple of years have taken me even farther.)</p>
<p>Good luck with your job search!<br />
:Ian</p>
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		<dc:creator>victoria walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you get the job after submitting this statement? Did you receive any response to your teaching philosophy? I need to write one that combines my teaching philosophy and my research interests</description>
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		<title>Comment on a first stab at &#8220;unit one&#8221; standards for Physics I by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22430</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 02:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, one of the things I wrestle with as I get my head around SBG is what seems to me a tension between &quot;factoring the learning into independent, assessable standards&quot; and &quot;teaching the whole game&quot;. At some level, being able to properly execute (or reason with) principle X strikes me as a different skill — and therefore a different standard — than &quot;recognize when principle X, alone or in combination with something else, is the appropriate thing to use&quot;. But as I&#039;ve said above, I&#039;m really worried about endlessly-proliferating standards.

This is one point where I may rubricize: Let&#039;s say earning a &quot;3&quot; in the standard means being able to execute it reliably, but earning a &quot;4&quot; means also being able to recognize when to use it. Perhaps that&#039;s a distinction that could apply across all standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, one of the things I wrestle with as I get my head around SBG is what seems to me a tension between &#8220;factoring the learning into independent, assessable standards&#8221; and &#8220;teaching the whole game&#8221;. At some level, being able to properly execute (or reason with) principle X strikes me as a different skill — and therefore a different standard — than &#8220;recognize when principle X, alone or in combination with something else, is the appropriate thing to use&#8221;. But as I&#8217;ve said above, I&#8217;m really worried about endlessly-proliferating standards.</p>
<p>This is one point where I may rubricize: Let&#8217;s say earning a &#8220;3&#8243; in the standard means being able to execute it reliably, but earning a &#8220;4&#8243; means also being able to recognize when to use it. Perhaps that&#8217;s a distinction that could apply across all standards?</p>
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		<title>Comment on a first stab at &#8220;unit one&#8221; standards for Physics I by Brad Martsberger</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22428</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Martsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

Thanks for the response. Right now in my course I am mostly grappling with the fact that students may know a long list of things (kinematics, Newton&#039;s laws, energy and momentum conservation, circular motion, etc.), but if I present them a problem (a physical scenario where they are asked to evaluate something) and ask them to tell me what physics principles, laws, ideas, etc. are important they have a difficult time giving a correct and/or confident answer. Often once they are prompted about what physics applies they can solve the problem. But to my mind, relating a real physical system to physics principles IS doing physics.

This is the reason I&#039;m grabbing on to Serway&#039;s short list of &quot;analysis models&quot;. I want to give the students a concrete choice -- you must describe the problem in terms of these models. I think they are coming around to the idea.

I should back up a little though, because I went back and re-read Serway and he does use the word &#039;model&#039; to cover more things than I let on (e.g. a spring is modeled by Hooke&#039;s law). It is the phrase &quot;analysis model&quot; that he is very strict about. He defines an &quot;analysis model&quot; loosely as any type of problem we have solved previously, covering the behavior of some physical entity or the interaction between an entity and the environment.

You have a number of standards of the form &quot;Use X as a model to analyze real physical  situations&quot;. All of these standards are linked to each other because the student needs to be able to distinguish between which model is appropriate when they are given the physical situation. It seems like this could be done without introducing a new standard depending on what your assessments are like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response. Right now in my course I am mostly grappling with the fact that students may know a long list of things (kinematics, Newton&#8217;s laws, energy and momentum conservation, circular motion, etc.), but if I present them a problem (a physical scenario where they are asked to evaluate something) and ask them to tell me what physics principles, laws, ideas, etc. are important they have a difficult time giving a correct and/or confident answer. Often once they are prompted about what physics applies they can solve the problem. But to my mind, relating a real physical system to physics principles IS doing physics.</p>
<p>This is the reason I&#8217;m grabbing on to Serway&#8217;s short list of &#8220;analysis models&#8221;. I want to give the students a concrete choice &#8212; you must describe the problem in terms of these models. I think they are coming around to the idea.</p>
<p>I should back up a little though, because I went back and re-read Serway and he does use the word &#8216;model&#8217; to cover more things than I let on (e.g. a spring is modeled by Hooke&#8217;s law). It is the phrase &#8220;analysis model&#8221; that he is very strict about. He defines an &#8220;analysis model&#8221; loosely as any type of problem we have solved previously, covering the behavior of some physical entity or the interaction between an entity and the environment.</p>
<p>You have a number of standards of the form &#8220;Use X as a model to analyze real physical  situations&#8221;. All of these standards are linked to each other because the student needs to be able to distinguish between which model is appropriate when they are given the physical situation. It seems like this could be done without introducing a new standard depending on what your assessments are like.</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/29/comment-page-1#comment-22414</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on a first stab at &#8220;unit one&#8221; standards for Physics I by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22413</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Brad.

Caveat: This list of standards, and the particular vocabulary I chose to express them, was scribbled down on an old note pad late one evening, and then hastily typed into WordPress the next morning. Please don&#039;t interpret things like my use of &quot;model&quot; as thoughtful, carefully-considered choices.

It sounds like Serway is at least partially following the &quot;Modeling Instruction&quot; curriculum&#039;s lead on the use of the term model… though I say that with only flimsy second-hand knowledge of either. I don&#039;t personally think of &quot;constant acceleration&quot; as a model, but rather as a special case or subclass of behavior. I tend to use the term model in one of two very different ways: (1) as a theoretical description of how some realm of the physical world operates, as in &quot;the Newtonian model of motion&quot;, &quot;a model of friction&quot;, or &quot;Hooke&#039;s law as a model of a spring&quot;; or (2) as a simplified, abstracted description of a physical situation in order to analyze it, as in &quot;an ideal block on a frictionless plane as a model of a car on a sloped road&quot; or &quot;a frictionless point particle traveling in a circular arc as a model of a roller-coaster car&quot;. The examples you cite of my use of &quot;model&quot; tend to be the latter ones.

Perhaps I should avoid confusion over the meaning of the term &quot;model&quot; and instead refer to these things as something else… &quot;Common problem types&quot; comes to mind, but that creates the wrong frame (that physics is about learning to solve standard problem types, rather than about building models of real situations). Thoughts?

Cheers,
:ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Brad.</p>
<p>Caveat: This list of standards, and the particular vocabulary I chose to express them, was scribbled down on an old note pad late one evening, and then hastily typed into WordPress the next morning. Please don&#8217;t interpret things like my use of &#8220;model&#8221; as thoughtful, carefully-considered choices.</p>
<p>It sounds like Serway is at least partially following the &#8220;Modeling Instruction&#8221; curriculum&#8217;s lead on the use of the term model… though I say that with only flimsy second-hand knowledge of either. I don&#8217;t personally think of &#8220;constant acceleration&#8221; as a model, but rather as a special case or subclass of behavior. I tend to use the term model in one of two very different ways: (1) as a theoretical description of how some realm of the physical world operates, as in &#8220;the Newtonian model of motion&#8221;, &#8220;a model of friction&#8221;, or &#8220;Hooke&#8217;s law as a model of a spring&#8221;; or (2) as a simplified, abstracted description of a physical situation in order to analyze it, as in &#8220;an ideal block on a frictionless plane as a model of a car on a sloped road&#8221; or &#8220;a frictionless point particle traveling in a circular arc as a model of a roller-coaster car&#8221;. The examples you cite of my use of &#8220;model&#8221; tend to be the latter ones.</p>
<p>Perhaps I should avoid confusion over the meaning of the term &#8220;model&#8221; and instead refer to these things as something else… &#8220;Common problem types&#8221; comes to mind, but that creates the wrong frame (that physics is about learning to solve standard problem types, rather than about building models of real situations). Thoughts?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
:ian</p>
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		<title>Comment on a first stab at &#8220;unit one&#8221; standards for Physics I by Brad Martsberger</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22411</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Martsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

I am currently teaching Calc-Based Physics I and wrote up a list of standards as a tool for my students to see what they are supposed to be learning (and possibly integrate it with the grading next term). I am really glad you put up your list so that I can see what an experienced prof comes up with. Our lists are totally different, while at the same time essentially covering the same things.

I am using Serway and he is much stricter with the word &#039;model&#039; than you are. In the chapters you are covering here Serway only has 3 models: 1. Constant velocity, 2. Constant acceleration, 3. Uniform circular motion. Serway doesn&#039;t label Free-fall and inclined plane as models in their own right, they are both examples of the constant acceleration model; Projectile motion is not a model, it&#039;s an application of the constant velocity model in one direction and the constant acceleration model in the other. Accelerated circular motion is a little more subtle, but Serway presents the tangential and radial accelerations and from there applies the other models to understand accelerated circular motion.

Serway continues to be stingy with the word &#039;model&#039; later in the book. Here are the rest of his models for Mechanics: Newton&#039;s 2nd law, Isolated/Non-isolated systems for energy and momentum, rigid object with constant angular acceleration, rigid object with net torque (Newton&#039;s 2nd law again), Isolated/Non-isolated system for angular momentum, rigid objects in equilibrium.

I wonder how you feel about being this stingy with what we consider a model? Does Knight use the word &#039;model&#039; the way you do?

I recall reading (I think from Knight) that one of the big differences in problem solving between students and experts is the organization of knowledge. For example, experts will lump together many different problems as &quot;Newton&#039;s 2nd law problems&quot; while students see &quot;incline plane, free-fall, static equilibrium, atwood machine, etc.&quot; and think they need a different approach to all of them. The student is paralyzed when they see a new system they&#039;ve never encountered before.

I am currently trying to use Serway&#039;s limited list of models to try to overcome this. Whenever we do problem solving in class, students are in groups and required to list the appropriate analysis models and we go over them as a class before anyone can write down anything further in trying to solve the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>I am currently teaching Calc-Based Physics I and wrote up a list of standards as a tool for my students to see what they are supposed to be learning (and possibly integrate it with the grading next term). I am really glad you put up your list so that I can see what an experienced prof comes up with. Our lists are totally different, while at the same time essentially covering the same things.</p>
<p>I am using Serway and he is much stricter with the word &#8216;model&#8217; than you are. In the chapters you are covering here Serway only has 3 models: 1. Constant velocity, 2. Constant acceleration, 3. Uniform circular motion. Serway doesn&#8217;t label Free-fall and inclined plane as models in their own right, they are both examples of the constant acceleration model; Projectile motion is not a model, it&#8217;s an application of the constant velocity model in one direction and the constant acceleration model in the other. Accelerated circular motion is a little more subtle, but Serway presents the tangential and radial accelerations and from there applies the other models to understand accelerated circular motion.</p>
<p>Serway continues to be stingy with the word &#8216;model&#8217; later in the book. Here are the rest of his models for Mechanics: Newton&#8217;s 2nd law, Isolated/Non-isolated systems for energy and momentum, rigid object with constant angular acceleration, rigid object with net torque (Newton&#8217;s 2nd law again), Isolated/Non-isolated system for angular momentum, rigid objects in equilibrium.</p>
<p>I wonder how you feel about being this stingy with what we consider a model? Does Knight use the word &#8216;model&#8217; the way you do?</p>
<p>I recall reading (I think from Knight) that one of the big differences in problem solving between students and experts is the organization of knowledge. For example, experts will lump together many different problems as &#8220;Newton&#8217;s 2nd law problems&#8221; while students see &#8220;incline plane, free-fall, static equilibrium, atwood machine, etc.&#8221; and think they need a different approach to all of them. The student is paralyzed when they see a new system they&#8217;ve never encountered before.</p>
<p>I am currently trying to use Serway&#8217;s limited list of models to try to overcome this. Whenever we do problem solving in class, students are in groups and required to list the appropriate analysis models and we go over them as a class before anyone can write down anything further in trying to solve the problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on a first stab at &#8220;unit one&#8221; standards for Physics I by Joss Ives</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22410</link>
		<dc:creator>Joss Ives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

I think that the appropriate granularity of the standards goes hand in hand with your planned methods of assessment. What do you have in mind for assessments?</description>
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<p>I think that the appropriate granularity of the standards goes hand in hand with your planned methods of assessment. What do you have in mind for assessments?</p>
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		<title>Comment on a first stab at &#8220;unit one&#8221; standards for Physics I by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22409</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 15:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Chris. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I&#039;m very much still getting my head around this, and your input is appreciated. Responding to your helpfully-enumerated comments:

1. A large minority of this course&#039;s students (and a majority of those going on to Physics 2) are physics majors, and I consider 7 and especially 8 to be important skills for them, and indeed for any science major. Last year I only briefly touched on Fermi estimation; and I would reluctantly drop it if I had to trim coverage. #8, however, is something I weave throughout, as a general habit of sanity-checking answers and even deducing the forms of expressions.

2. I hear you, and granularity is something I&#039;m struggling with. However, I really don&#039;t want to end up with a bewildering array of unitary standards. In addition, I try to teach the position/velocity/acceleration relationships as organic and interrelated, so I lean towards one encompassing standard.

3. Unit vector notation was intended as part of #16.

4. I mean that as an implied component of #17, but the standard was meant to be larger — more like &quot;Can you actually figure out when you need to use vector stuff when solving physics problems, and apply the right bits in the right places?&quot;

5. In theory, Calc I is a pre-requisite for Phys I here, although a nontrivial minority are taking it concurrently (with my explicit permission). I don&#039;t mean to get very hairy with the calc, but I do want them to link to the basic ideas of derivative (slope) and integral (area under curve), and connect the graphical concepts to the basic calculus operations. (General note: I intend a few standards to be in there as &quot;advanced&quot; ones, to separate the A-level students from the rest. This is one of those.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Chris. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I&#8217;m very much still getting my head around this, and your input is appreciated. Responding to your helpfully-enumerated comments:</p>
<p>1. A large minority of this course&#8217;s students (and a majority of those going on to Physics 2) are physics majors, and I consider 7 and especially 8 to be important skills for them, and indeed for any science major. Last year I only briefly touched on Fermi estimation; and I would reluctantly drop it if I had to trim coverage. #8, however, is something I weave throughout, as a general habit of sanity-checking answers and even deducing the forms of expressions.</p>
<p>2. I hear you, and granularity is something I&#8217;m struggling with. However, I really don&#8217;t want to end up with a bewildering array of unitary standards. In addition, I try to teach the position/velocity/acceleration relationships as organic and interrelated, so I lean towards one encompassing standard.</p>
<p>3. Unit vector notation was intended as part of #16.</p>
<p>4. I mean that as an implied component of #17, but the standard was meant to be larger — more like &#8220;Can you actually figure out when you need to use vector stuff when solving physics problems, and apply the right bits in the right places?&#8221;</p>
<p>5. In theory, Calc I is a pre-requisite for Phys I here, although a nontrivial minority are taking it concurrently (with my explicit permission). I don&#8217;t mean to get very hairy with the calc, but I do want them to link to the basic ideas of derivative (slope) and integral (area under curve), and connect the graphical concepts to the basic calculus operations. (General note: I intend a few standards to be in there as &#8220;advanced&#8221; ones, to separate the A-level students from the rest. This is one of those.)</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22408</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m teaching out of this book for the first time this quarter (just started Chapter 12 yesterday). Some comments.

1. In actual practice would be so comprehensive? I&#039;m thinking of items 7 and 8 in Chapter 1. Would you really try to hold students to that?

2. Item 5 in Chapter 1 seems like it needs to be broken down more, into position, displacement, velocity, acceleration.

3. In Chapter 3, I would probably add something about being able to correctly use unit-vector notation; students have lots of trouble with this at first.

4. For item 17, Chapter 3, do you mean something like &quot;Correctly identify which physical quantities are vectors and which are scalars.&quot;?

5. Do most of your students actually have calculus under their belts? Most of mine are just starting calculus, so items like 10 wouldn&#039;t work in my class. We only use calculus conceptually (finding slopes and areas mostly), so I would use standards based around those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m teaching out of this book for the first time this quarter (just started Chapter 12 yesterday). Some comments.</p>
<p>1. In actual practice would be so comprehensive? I&#8217;m thinking of items 7 and 8 in Chapter 1. Would you really try to hold students to that?</p>
<p>2. Item 5 in Chapter 1 seems like it needs to be broken down more, into position, displacement, velocity, acceleration.</p>
<p>3. In Chapter 3, I would probably add something about being able to correctly use unit-vector notation; students have lots of trouble with this at first.</p>
<p>4. For item 17, Chapter 3, do you mean something like &#8220;Correctly identify which physical quantities are vectors and which are scalars.&#8221;?</p>
<p>5. Do most of your students actually have calculus under their belts? Most of mine are just starting calculus, so items like 10 wouldn&#8217;t work in my class. We only use calculus conceptually (finding slopes and areas mostly), so I would use standards based around those.</p>
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		<title>Comment on a first stab at &#8220;unit one&#8221; standards for Physics I by Heather</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/172/comment-page-1#comment-22407</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just finished up teaching chapter 11 from Knight&#039;s algebra-based book (which overlaps very closely with this one), I think you&#039;ve done a great job writing these up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just finished up teaching chapter 11 from Knight&#8217;s algebra-based book (which overlaps very closely with this one), I think you&#8217;ve done a great job writing these up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is game-style learning fundamentally incompatible with school as we know it? by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-22396</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Interesting connection.

Perhaps Ender would have had more fun playing World of Warcraft, though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Interesting connection.</p>
<p>Perhaps Ender would have had more fun playing World of Warcraft, though?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is game-style learning fundamentally incompatible with school as we know it? by Cornmaze</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-22395</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornmaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember reading Ender&#039;s Game?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Yellow Line Driving by Mac</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/13/comment-page-1#comment-22394</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yellow line driving is the reason why I almost killed a young boy between Malelane and Komatipoort, hit a rock and wrote off my car. The bastered I was so kind to let me pass drove happily off into the sunset without ever looking back. On that day I vowed never to drive in the yellow line again. I am not going to kill some one just because some ass wants to go faster than the speed limit. If you come up behind me flashing your lights and expecting me to drive in the yellow line I will most willingly give you a salute, the one with the middle finger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yellow line driving is the reason why I almost killed a young boy between Malelane and Komatipoort, hit a rock and wrote off my car. The bastered I was so kind to let me pass drove happily off into the sunset without ever looking back. On that day I vowed never to drive in the yellow line again. I am not going to kill some one just because some ass wants to go faster than the speed limit. If you come up behind me flashing your lights and expecting me to drive in the yellow line I will most willingly give you a salute, the one with the middle finger.</p>
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		<title>Comment on getting out of their way by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/153/comment-page-1#comment-22387</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not (more precisely, I wasn&#039;t until 30 seconds ago), but I look forward to learning more about them. Thanks!</description>
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		<title>Comment on getting out of their way by David Coffey</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/153/comment-page-1#comment-22386</link>
		<dc:creator>David Coffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are talking about Cambourne&#039;s Conditions of Learning. Are you familiar with these? http://learning-museum.blogspot.com/2011/05/cambournes-conditions-of-learning.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are talking about Cambourne&#8217;s Conditions of Learning. Are you familiar with these? <a href="http://learning-museum.blogspot.com/2011/05/cambournes-conditions-of-learning.html" rel="nofollow">http://learning-museum.blogspot.com/2011/05/cambournes-conditions-of-learning.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on getting out of their way by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/153/comment-page-1#comment-22381</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it! (I suspect that from a psychological perspective, we tend to do a great deal of harm.)</description>
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		<title>Comment on getting out of their way by Heather</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/153/comment-page-1#comment-22380</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking a lot lately that perhaps the first rule of teaching well is to do no harm.</description>
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		<title>Comment on silence by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/144/comment-page-1#comment-22373</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comment.</description>
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		<title>Comment on silence by Cornmaze</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/144/comment-page-1#comment-22372</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornmaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since AUGUST?  No.</description>
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		<title>Comment on clicker resources posted by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/145/comment-page-1#comment-22363</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear it! So often, publishing something feels like shouting it out into the void, with nobody listening.</description>
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		<title>Comment on clicker resources posted by Andy Dey</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/145/comment-page-1#comment-22362</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Dey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, 

Thanks for compiling all of this.  I conducted a study on the efficacy of clickers in high school sciences classes for my doctoral dissertation at the University of Oregon.  For what it is worth, you were cited several times when discussing the importance of posing high quality questions when using this technology.   In the process of the study, I created a monster in that all teachers in multiple departments want to use them.  Your site is a great resource for our teachers and I appreciate the continued effort.</description>
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<p>Thanks for compiling all of this.  I conducted a study on the efficacy of clickers in high school sciences classes for my doctoral dissertation at the University of Oregon.  For what it is worth, you were cited several times when discussing the importance of posing high quality questions when using this technology.   In the process of the study, I created a monster in that all teachers in multiple departments want to use them.  Your site is a great resource for our teachers and I appreciate the continued effort.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rogue Waves and the Complacency of Scientists with Models by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/89/comment-page-1#comment-22355</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Jessamyn.

My understanding—based on the documentary, primarily, so caveat emptor—is that constructive interference of &quot;normal&quot; waves, according to the generally accepted linear model of ocean waves, is inadequate to explain the size and frequency of rogue waves. Basically, if that were the explanation, we ought to see rogue waves once every 10,000 years, rather than multiple times per year. So yes, I gather that the linear model is outdated.

(BTW, the &quot;quantum physics&quot; version isn&#039;t actually predicated upon quantum physics; I believe what&#039;s being suggested is that the mathematics of ocean waves is analogous to the mathematics of (certain portions of) quantum mechanics.)

Cheers,
:Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jessamyn.</p>
<p>My understanding—based on the documentary, primarily, so caveat emptor—is that constructive interference of &#8220;normal&#8221; waves, according to the generally accepted linear model of ocean waves, is inadequate to explain the size and frequency of rogue waves. Basically, if that were the explanation, we ought to see rogue waves once every 10,000 years, rather than multiple times per year. So yes, I gather that the linear model is outdated.</p>
<p>(BTW, the &#8220;quantum physics&#8221; version isn&#8217;t actually predicated upon quantum physics; I believe what&#8217;s being suggested is that the mathematics of ocean waves is analogous to the mathematics of (certain portions of) quantum mechanics.)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
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		<title>Comment on Rogue Waves and the Complacency of Scientists with Models by Jessamyn</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/89/comment-page-1#comment-22354</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessamyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a high school oceanography teacher and I have always read that rogue waves come from constructive interference of waves in different wave trains.  Do you know how this quantum physics version of rogue waves incorporates or rejects constructive interference?  Are scientists saying we should consider that idea outdated?  Thanks for your input.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a high school oceanography teacher and I have always read that rogue waves come from constructive interference of waves in different wave trains.  Do you know how this quantum physics version of rogue waves incorporates or rejects constructive interference?  Are scientists saying we should consider that idea outdated?  Thanks for your input.  <img src='http://ianbeatty.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on shaving yaks by theYakRanch</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-22347</link>
		<dc:creator>theYakRanch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry! I do have a passing interest in physics........</description>
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		<title>Comment on shaving yaks by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-22346</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, the prior comment was definitely spam, but... How could I not approve it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, the prior comment was definitely spam, but&#8230; How could I not approve it?</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-22345</link>
		<dc:creator>theYakRanch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you get tired of virtual yak shaving, we may have some real yaks that need a bit of a shave!</description>
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		<title>Comment on clicker resources posted by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/145/comment-page-1#comment-22340</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, AmoebaMike. My research group and I have been working with middle- and high-school teachers for about five years now, providing clicker sets and then lots of professional development about using them effectively, overcoming problems, etc. Not much of that is publicly written up yet -- we&#039;re still analyzing and digesting -- but overall, results are pretty good. One middle school was so sold on the approach, based on the experiences of three teachers participating in our project, that the principal has provided clicker sets for the whole school! (An impassioned presentation to the school committee by these teachers was instrumental.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, AmoebaMike. My research group and I have been working with middle- and high-school teachers for about five years now, providing clicker sets and then lots of professional development about using them effectively, overcoming problems, etc. Not much of that is publicly written up yet &#8212; we&#8217;re still analyzing and digesting &#8212; but overall, results are pretty good. One middle school was so sold on the approach, based on the experiences of three teachers participating in our project, that the principal has provided clicker sets for the whole school! (An impassioned presentation to the school committee by these teachers was instrumental.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on clicker resources posted by AmoebaMike</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/145/comment-page-1#comment-22339</link>
		<dc:creator>AmoebaMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My college physics prof used a PRS system. Absolutely loved it.  I&#039;ve thought of ways to fund and use such a system in the k-12 setting.</description>
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		<title>Comment on clicker resources posted by Stephanie Chasteen</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/145/comment-page-1#comment-22338</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Chasteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t recommend the &quot;TEFA notes&quot; enough -- these are really useful, well-written documents.

Thanks for compiling these, Ian!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t recommend the &#8220;TEFA notes&#8221; enough &#8212; these are really useful, well-written documents.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the best clicker question I used last term by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/115/comment-page-1#comment-22327</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Derek. I think there&#039;s a real need for extended narratives of and commentaries on clicker Qs. It&#039;s hard to understand someone else&#039;s Q or use it effectively without that kind of insight. Also, it helps people learn about different &quot;flavors&quot; of clicker use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Derek. I think there&#8217;s a real need for extended narratives of and commentaries on clicker Qs. It&#8217;s hard to understand someone else&#8217;s Q or use it effectively without that kind of insight. Also, it helps people learn about different &#8220;flavors&#8221; of clicker use.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the best clicker question I used last term by Derek Bruff</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/115/comment-page-1#comment-22326</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Bruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this, Ian. This is a great question, and I appreciated how you explained how it played out in the class. Great stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this, Ian. This is a great question, and I appreciated how you explained how it played out in the class. Great stuff!</p>
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		<title>Comment on the best clicker question I used last term by Stephanie Chasteen</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/115/comment-page-1#comment-22323</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Chasteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this question -- definitely a great use of TEFA.  What I like too is that this makes it clear to teachers looking at this question that the goal is obviously not getting the &quot;right&quot; answer, but rather to encourage thoughtful discussion and sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this question &#8212; definitely a great use of TEFA.  What I like too is that this makes it clear to teachers looking at this question that the goal is obviously not getting the &#8220;right&#8221; answer, but rather to encourage thoughtful discussion and sharing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on shaving yaks by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-22321</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it!! Thanks.</description>
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		<title>Comment on shaving yaks by Alec</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/125/comment-page-1#comment-22320</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching Hint #1: Checking for Understanding by the best clicker question I used last term &#124; think twice</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/14/comment-page-1#comment-22315</link>
		<dc:creator>the best clicker question I used last term &#124; think twice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Timing: towards the close of a unit on magnetism, after gravitation and electrostatics have been taught. (No guarantees that they&#8217;ve been learned, though.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Timing: towards the close of a unit on magnetism, after gravitation and electrostatics have been taught. (No guarantees that they&#8217;ve been learned, though.) [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on the dangers of formative assessment without agility by Ian</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/107/comment-page-1#comment-22314</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Stephanie. In theory I&#039;m still maintaining it, although I haven&#039;t found much time recently to actually, you know, *post* anything. I just (with great regret) abandoned my ambitions for several summer projects (PERC poster+paper, CAREER proposal, etc.), so maybe I&#039;ll have a bit more time now. I&#039;ve certainly got ideas stewing around in my head worth writing. Instead, I&#039;ve been tweeting the occasional deep (hopefully) thought.

Frankly, when I write for this blog I generally get the sense of shouting into the void -- nobody listening -- which isn&#039;t very motivating. Catch-22: Minimal writing without readers, no readers without writing.

Thanks for noticing and asking, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Stephanie. In theory I&#8217;m still maintaining it, although I haven&#8217;t found much time recently to actually, you know, *post* anything. I just (with great regret) abandoned my ambitions for several summer projects (PERC poster+paper, CAREER proposal, etc.), so maybe I&#8217;ll have a bit more time now. I&#8217;ve certainly got ideas stewing around in my head worth writing. Instead, I&#8217;ve been tweeting the occasional deep (hopefully) thought.</p>
<p>Frankly, when I write for this blog I generally get the sense of shouting into the void &#8212; nobody listening &#8212; which isn&#8217;t very motivating. Catch-22: Minimal writing without readers, no readers without writing.</p>
<p>Thanks for noticing and asking, though!</p>
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		<title>Comment on why are clicker questions hard to create? by Best Practices for Writing Clicker Questions</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/100/comment-page-1#comment-22313</link>
		<dc:creator>Best Practices for Writing Clicker Questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more resource from Ian Beatty.  Ian recently shared some of his insights on writing clicker questions on his blog.  Here&#8217;s a quote to whet your appetite:  One flash [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more resource from Ian Beatty.  Ian recently shared some of his insights on writing clicker questions on his blog.  Here&#8217;s a quote to whet your appetite:  One flash [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on the dangers of formative assessment without agility by Stephanie Chasteen</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/107/comment-page-1#comment-22312</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Chasteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ian,

Are you still maintaining this blog?  Or just taking a hiatus?

Stephanie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ian,</p>
<p>Are you still maintaining this blog?  Or just taking a hiatus?</p>
<p>Stephanie</p>
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		<title>Comment on why are clicker questions hard to create? by Derek Bruff</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/100/comment-page-1#comment-22266</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Bruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this comment: &quot;I just formulate a question asking them to do that (in a particular context), and then much of the class activity is me helping them struggle through the process as they learn how.&quot;  I find that even when I&#039;m not feeling great about a new clicker question I&#039;ve written, I&#039;ll go ahead and ask it, knowing that I&#039;ll *probably* be able to use it to help the students &quot;struggle through the process&quot; even if the question isn&#039;t great.

I think a lot of instructors who start using clickers do so in order to gather feedback on what their students do or do not understand during lectures.  Some have a vague notion of increasing interaction during class, but I think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head regarding the use of clickers to *engage* not just assess students.  When you do so, the clicker question becomes a vehicle for encouraging the kinds of thinking we&#039;d like our students to do.

Also, it would appear your comments are working again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this comment: &#8220;I just formulate a question asking them to do that (in a particular context), and then much of the class activity is me helping them struggle through the process as they learn how.&#8221;  I find that even when I&#8217;m not feeling great about a new clicker question I&#8217;ve written, I&#8217;ll go ahead and ask it, knowing that I&#8217;ll *probably* be able to use it to help the students &#8220;struggle through the process&#8221; even if the question isn&#8217;t great.</p>
<p>I think a lot of instructors who start using clickers do so in order to gather feedback on what their students do or do not understand during lectures.  Some have a vague notion of increasing interaction during class, but I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head regarding the use of clickers to *engage* not just assess students.  When you do so, the clicker question becomes a vehicle for encouraging the kinds of thinking we&#8217;d like our students to do.</p>
<p>Also, it would appear your comments are working again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Myth of Coverage by why are clicker questions hard to create? &#171; think twice</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/15/comment-page-1#comment-22265</link>
		<dc:creator>why are clicker questions hard to create? &#171; think twice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One flash of insight I had recently is that, at least for me, it&#8217;s not really creating questions that&#8217;s tough. The hard part is figuring out what I want my students to learn from the class, and casting that in terms of what I want my students to be able to do. I&#8217;ve been trying to shift my thinking from &#8220;the material&#8221; to &#8220;the demonstrable, assessable learning outcomes&#8221; (cf. The Myth of Coverage). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One flash of insight I had recently is that, at least for me, it&#8217;s not really creating questions that&#8217;s tough. The hard part is figuring out what I want my students to learn from the class, and casting that in terms of what I want my students to be able to do. I&#8217;ve been trying to shift my thinking from &#8220;the material&#8221; to &#8220;the demonstrable, assessable learning outcomes&#8221; (cf. The Myth of Coverage). [...]</p>
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		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/13/comment-page-1#comment-22260</link>
		<dc:creator>Leeds Driving School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yellow line driving !

That is an excellant method, it shows that not all &#039;truckers&#039; mind being overtaken, as the mojority in the UK seem to beep whenever this is done. 

However, it has to be said that the majority of country lanes in the UK do not allow trucks through - and as such, they have prescribed routes which have both a slow and fast lane. So yellow line driving would not be needed over here.

Interesting post  ! I will study this further.</description>
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<p>That is an excellant method, it shows that not all &#8216;truckers&#8217; mind being overtaken, as the mojority in the UK seem to beep whenever this is done. </p>
<p>However, it has to be said that the majority of country lanes in the UK do not allow trucks through &#8211; and as such, they have prescribed routes which have both a slow and fast lane. So yellow line driving would not be needed over here.</p>
<p>Interesting post  ! I will study this further.</p>
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		<title>Comment on my teaching philosophy by Get Real! Science &#124; Backwards Design - an overview</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/42/comment-page-1#comment-22244</link>
		<dc:creator>Get Real! Science &#124; Backwards Design - an overview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of teacher philosophy statements Random person  Wendy&#8217;s Think Twice [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on rethinking the practice of grading by Intermission &#171; Morning Coffee Physics</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/46/comment-page-1#comment-22227</link>
		<dc:creator>Intermission &#171; Morning Coffee Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the mean time, if you need something to read, I&#8217;d recommend checking out this essay by Alfie Kohn about how current grading schemes actually inhibit learning in our education system, and what can be done about it. (Link via: think twice) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the mean time, if you need something to read, I&#8217;d recommend checking out this essay by Alfie Kohn about how current grading schemes actually inhibit learning in our education system, and what can be done about it. (Link via: think twice) [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Irritation and Laughter by think twice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Last Laugh</title>
		<link>http://ianbeatty.com/blog/archives/19/comment-page-1#comment-22133</link>
		<dc:creator>think twice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Last Laugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Irritation and Laughter, posted in 2006, I talked about Stephen Oluka, the brother of my close friend and colleague Silas [...]</description>
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